I've always been a Seger fan, we play a Seger tune at our bar gigs. Options

[Lee Waddell]

I play guitar for the band NO EXCUSES (we got a million of em) and I've always liked Bob's song writing and sound. My favorite Seger song has always been Ramblin Man. We play a rendition of Bob's number in our bar gigs. I have a cut of it at gig masters if anyone would like to hear it, It's just a live recording at one of our rehearsals so it's not perfect, we're under rock / Portland Bands (Portland Oregon) about the eighth band down in the line up. The address looks like this http://www.gigmasters.com/rockband/NoExcusesTheBand/ and if that does'nt work I have an older web-site (no spam or anything like that, a very clean page), http://www.kalama.com/~excalibur and there is a link to gig masters on that page if you scroll down to the bottom.
Glad to be at this great forum, Lee/


Also have some originals up on unsigned.com, ou military personel are hearin this all over the world now.

http://www.unsigned.com/noexcuses

[MarkD]

Nice Guitar work, Lee! I downloaded the one tune only, Ramblin' Gamblin' Man. It took 20 minutes, but it was worth it. I thought about saving it so I could listen to it again later, but didn't.
Do you do any other Bob Seger tunes?
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Thanks for the compliment Mark I am glad you enjoyed it. I used to do Fire down below and rock and roll never forgets but I can't belive we keep forgetting to do that one, go figure, I will have to remind everyone to do them next time around. I would be interested to know what Bob thought about other bands playing his music in bars around the country, I met Ted Nugent a few times and once I asked him what he thought, I said "Ted we really dig Stanglehold and I have those solos down note for note." Ted just said, "Man you gotta do your own thang or yer never gonna git anywere". Well,........ we're almost done producing our own CD for release now. Won't be long I hope.

Nice Guitar work, Lee! I downloaded the one tune only, Ramblin' Gamblin' Man. It took 20 minutes, but it was worth it. I thought about saving it so I could listen to it again later, but didn't.
Do you do any other Bob Seger tunes?
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Also You or Bob or anyone on this site can download or save that song if they want and Bob can do anything he wants with it, it's his song.

Lee


http://www.gigmasters.com/presskit.aspx?id...&audio=y#av
http://www.milplace.com/leewaddell
http://www.unsigned.com/noexcuses
http://www.kalama.com/~excalibur

[MarkD]

Thanks for the download link, Lee. I have a way of saving right from the gig site where I listened to it, but it would not be quite as good quality.
As I'm sure you know, Ted Nugent was right. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do covers. Everyone covers something here and there. Bob does his share, too. I suspect he would see it the way most people would, as a form of flattery.
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Ya that's the way I see it, we gotta have our ole favorite songs and its where our influences and inspiration come from, they have a "Music Mafia" of some kind out there that I have been hearin about from the club owners comming from BMI and Ascap or something (if what they say is true) who are trying to destroy all that, as a result a lot of the clubs turn to DJ's of somekind, rap artits or hiphop and Karokie. I noticed a lot of club owners are even afraid to put a band name on thier marque or advertise live music. Now I feel like I should go to all my favorite artists and try and ask for permission to play thier music at our live shows, to make sure I'm not making anyone mad at me. Ya I can see it if some jerk is running around out there making recordings and tryin to SELL everybody else's music, that would make me mad too, cause we're not selling any music, we're selling beer. We're just glorified beer salesmen. I can remember years ago walking into a bar and here was a band playing a song that I wrote only they had a little different way of doing it and they called it by a different name as well. It made no difference though because everyone came to me and said "Wow man! those guys ripped your song off", everybody in the bar knew I wrote that stuff and they weren't fooling anyone. I had to laugh and I thought geez is it that hard for these guys to write a song of thier own? There were no album sales to squabble over in this scenario however, and I can see where big money and major labe deals can tend to change things. I have a larger WMA file of ramblinman (our version that you heard) if you would like a better quality cut, man the bass response will blow the windows out, depending on the the sound system you play it on and the way you EQ it. If you can figure out a way for me to upload the file to something. Mp3's really chop a lot of the information out of the cut.

Thanks for the download link, Lee. I have a way of saving right from the gig site where I listened to it, but it would not be quite as good quality.
As I'm sure you know, Ted Nugent was right. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do covers. Everyone covers something here and there. Bob does his share, too. I suspect he would see it the way most people would, as a form of flattery.
Mark D.

[MarkD]

Wow! I hadn't heard about the 'mafia' ASCAP and BMI thugs going out to bars and shutting down bands, or whatever they do. That's not good! My son is a drummer and is connected in the music scene in the Twin Cities area. He hasn't said anything, but I'll ask him and see what he says about it around there.
That really sucks, because it'll really hurt the smaller bands. People like to hear a mix of covers and original music. Or, I do anyway.
To me, that isn't the same as people who download music off the internet and then copy it eleventeen times and spread it all over the place. That does hurt the people who originally created that music.

I'd bet that you could contact Bob's manager, Punch, and could probably get permission to cover at least some of his music. Wouldn't that be cool? The thugs come in and harrass you, and all you have to do is wave that peice of paper in their faces. Nothing they can do then, I think.

I do have the sound system that can tell the difference between MP3 and real recorded music.
Do you use tube amps ever with your guitar?
I build my own tube hi-fi amps. Hi fi amps are pretty different from the average guitar amp, because a different sound is desired for hi fi over guitar.
Anyway, if you use guitar amps, you might understand when I say I run a total of 16 EL34's in my power amps to get the sound I want. I have other amps, too. Sort of a hobby. Mostly pro audio stuff. Powered mixers and PA's. But the tube amps do the best for me for the home hi fi.
Those amps drive a total of four JBL MR-838 pro audio speaker systems. That means there are four 18" woofers. No need for subwoofers with this gear.
Yep, it'll handle the bass ok.
I eq to whatever I feel the piece I'm playing needs to sound the way I want it to sound that particular day.
Either with a graphic or parametric eq. Depends on.

So, when your new CD comes out, just us know here. Post about it on the music forum on this site. I'll buy at least one. And if the economy hasn't gotten much worse, I might be able to buy two or more and spread a few around to people.
Sort of help support your band just a little bit.
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

It looks like you are a true connaisseur of music Mark. I have a Marshall stack with 3L34s in it and I also use Fender and Berringer guitar amps. I also have a 1965 Kalamzoo amp, I really like the sound I get out of that amp. As for the music Mafia, I can't say for sure that they have been approaching live bands or in what capacity, however many tell me that they fear it is coming. what they have been doing however is to go to the club owner's and demand somewhere in the niegborhood of $1200.00 because live bands they hire are playing covers. If BMI comes and the club owner actually pays them, soon after ASCAP comes and wants another $1200.00 and then they mentioned one other that I can't recall at this moment. Most of the club owners refuse to pay and probably really can't afford it anyway but they said nothing has happened to them for refusing to pay so far. I know of one club owner who just sold his business, he had stopped putting band names on his Marque and advertising altogether. Yes it would be cool if Bob or Punch came up with something to put off the thugs and if it did happen I could predict a huge uprise of Seger tribute shows all over the country. When my CD finally comes out you can be sure I will come here and you will get a copy. I have some live 2 and 3 meg WMA files of some of our original material if you are interested. I might be able to send them as an attachment, I think there is a 4 meg limit on my e-mail if I'm not mistaken.

Wow! I hadn't heard about the 'mafia' ASCAP and BMI thugs going out to bars and shutting down bands, or whatever they do. That's not good! My son is a drummer and is connected in the music scene in the Twin Cities area. He hasn't said anything, but I'll ask him and see what he says about it around there.
That really sucks, because it'll really hurt the smaller bands. People like to hear a mix of covers and original music. Or, I do anyway.
To me, that isn't the same as people who download music off the internet and then copy it eleventeen times and spread it all over the place. That does hurt the people who originally created that music.

I'd bet that you could contact Bob's manager, Punch, and could probably get permission to cover at least some of his music. Wouldn't that be cool? The thugs come in and harrass you, and all you have to do is wave that peice of paper in their faces. Nothing they can do then, I think.

I do have the sound system that can tell the difference between MP3 and real recorded music.
Do you use tube amps ever with your guitar?
I build my own tube hi-fi amps. Hi fi amps are pretty different from the average guitar amp, because a different sound is desired for hi fi over guitar.
Anyway, if you use guitar amps, you might understand when I say I run a total of 16 EL34's in my power amps to get the sound I want. I have other amps, too. Sort of a hobby. Mostly pro audio stuff. Powered mixers and PA's. But the tube amps do the best for me for the home hi fi.
Those amps drive a total of four JBL MR-838 pro audio speaker systems. That means there are four 18" woofers. No need for subwoofers with this gear.
Yep, it'll handle the bass ok.
I eq to whatever I feel the piece I'm playing needs to sound the way I want it to sound that particular day.
Either with a graphic or parametric eq. Depends on.

So, when your new CD comes out, just us know here. Post about it on the music forum on this site. I'll buy at least one. And if the economy hasn't gotten much worse, I might be able to buy two or more and spread a few around to people.
Sort of help support your band just a little bit.
Mark D.

[MarkD]

Hmmm! I wonder if anyone has checked to see if those guys that come and demand money are really from ASCAP or whomever? Maybe this is just a new protection racket? Like the old ones where you paid Al's man so much money every week for 'fire insurance.' If you refused to pay, you place might burn down. Could be a new twist on an old trick.

I would very much like a 4 meg recording. Problem is, I'm on dial-up access. 4 megs will download, but it takes about an hour. I don't even mind that, but it ties up the phone for that long, and I would be downloading at my small business. I really hate tying up the phone that long. It could be I miss that million dollar order I've been waiting for, for soooo long. :-)
That's why I was thinking CD. When you get yours made, are you planning on using all the dynamic range you can put into it? I love CD's with huge dynamic range. One moment it is so soft you can barely hear it, and the next it blows you right out of the room.
Some people don't like that, so the general practice is to make it all flat, or nearly so. It just doesn't sound live that way, though.
Maybe it's just me.
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Not to worry, I have some CD's already burt that I have been handing out to club owners and I could just mail you one, big files then with lotza sound quality for hi-fi nutz and music efficenados to EQ on.
Ya it certainly resembles the MO that ole Capon used to go with only this time when it finally gets to the strong arm tactics the guys with the machine guns will also have badges and the wharehouses they will take you to for torturing will be much bigger.
Lee

[MarkD]

Lee, I'll take you up on that offer as long as you promise to let me know when the album CD comes out so I can buy one or more.
I'll PM you an address.
Meanwhile, keep on playing those covers. If you're ever around when some thugs come to demand money, watch and see if one is sort of big with a bullet head. He keeps looking at the 'victim', scans the whole room, looks at da boss, then back to the 'victim' again, and repeats this. One hand is either in his pocket or inside his jacket. You'll know. :-)
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Ya I'll have to set up a guitar that works similar to Steve Martin's banjo for that guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GajZ1yEbrh4 Got any thick-wall?

Also here's a video of me, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txfyupXU92M I'm the one in the black leather jacket.

Lee, I'll take you up on that offer as long as you promise to let me know when the album CD comes out so I can buy one or more.
I'll PM you an address.
Meanwhile, keep on playing those covers. If you're ever around when some thugs come to demand money, watch and see if one is sort of big with a bullet head. He keeps looking at the 'victim', scans the whole room, looks at da boss, then back to the 'victim' again, and repeats this. One hand is either in his pocket or inside his jacket. You'll know. :-)
Mark D.

[MarkD]

Sorry, youtube I cannot get. It keeps telling me I need flash player installed. Well, I have flash player installed. I even try allowing all the scripts and active x files they want to stick to me, but it still won't work. I don't basically care enough to get serious about making it work. The dial up line means it would take about eleventeen hours to download a video anyway.
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Ahh I see what yer sayin and I forgot about the dial line, not good for U-tube.

Sorry, youtube I cannot get. It keeps telling me I need flash player installed. Well, I have flash player installed. I even try allowing all the scripts and active x files they want to stick to me, but it still won't work. I don't basically care enough to get serious about making it work. The dial up line means it would take about eleventeen hours to download a video anyway.
Mark D.

[Lee Waddell]

Mark, how do you save stuff form a player, it woul be great if we could tell our hard working armed forces personel how to do this. There is a disscusion forum on my page at this site where we disscussed this.
http://www.milplace.com/leewaddell

Thanks for the download link, Lee. I have a way of saving right from the gig site where I listened to it, but it would not be quite as good quality.
As I'm sure you know, Ted Nugent was right. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't do covers. Everyone covers something here and there. Bob does his share, too. I suspect he would see it the way most people would, as a form of flattery.
Mark D.

[MarkD]

Well, I hate to admit to how crude and simple it is. I could come up with a more sophisticated method that would also provide better sound quality, like saving it directly from the temp file, or something.
But what I do is use a couple of decent quality microphones placed at a proper angle and distance from my hi fi speakers. I then record it either direct to a hard drive, or, depending on where I am, to a tape machine.
Decent quality analog equipment can provide results that would amaze people who grew up in the digital only world.
And there's no way to prevent a pirate from using old analog technology to save digital analog or video files.
I admit there is a drop in quality, but it isn't very much.
Mark D.